sent 5/31/13 limerence and hot you know what: An old sermon by Rev. Joel Miller

Subject: limerence and hot you know what: An old sermon by Rev. Joel Miller

I have talked about this with various individuals over the years, but I cannot find that I have mentioned it to you in the eight or nine years that I have been writing regularly to family and friends.

I think it is something worth taking note of even if it's not relevant to your own life at the moment. It's about what's frequently been called romantic love, to begin with.

Rev. Joel Miller was the minister of the big church in Buffalo that I attended faithfully for several years.  Faithfully meaning I sang in the choir, and I was reliable.  I and others consider Reverend Miller a great man.  One Sunday Reverend Miller chose to focus his sermon on the concept of limerence.  He had finished reading a book about limerence, and he thought the concept was worth sharing. 

I think so also.

What I remember from the sermon is this:

Putting it bluntly, and I could be paraphrasing, for about the first two years of a hot sexual relationship, limerence is the common experience that we humans share.  During that two years a couple are "in love" and can live happily without talking much, almost as if in a dream, each living within his or her imagination of what the other is really like as a person and seeing no conflict, just being happy. 

Then after about two years limerence commonly wears off.  Again, that's the common human experience.  After the limerence wears off, love certainly can continue, but it starts to requires a bit of concentration and work for it to continue.  People commonly feel as though something has gone wrong with their particular relationship, when it's just the limerence wearing off, something that happens to everybody. 

That was it.  That was the message that Sunday morning. 

Like it or not, it's worth knowing so that you can avoid the path of thinking there must be something wrong with you or the other person or that something must have happened to change the other person. 

It's still up to each member of the couple to decide whether or not he or she wants the relationship to continue or to stop.  Many couples have mutually decided one way or another that it was time to start paying attention and working to continue love.  Many of those couples have been successful in loving each other for many years. :-)

The Wikipedia page makes limerence sound more complicated.  I am sure that Reverend Miller did not mention the words "an involuntary interpersonal state that involves intrusive, obsessive, and compulsive thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that are contingent on perceived emotional reciprocation from the object of interest."  Perhaps the book he read was older, before that redefinition occurred.  I also do not remember the part about despair sometimes in the limerence period, over whether or not the adoration is reciprocated.  That may be the limerence starting to wear off.  Anyway, whatever the description, it wears off in about two years.  Limerence is something for everyone to know about.  Knowing about it can help make things better.  If you are old and settled like me then knowing about this limerence phenomenon might help explain some things that have happened in your life.  In any event you can pass on the information where it might help someone you know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence

Larry

sent 1/21/11 A.J. MUSTE: "I do it so the country won't change me."

Subject: A.J. MUSTE: "I do it so the country won't change me."

At the end of his life, Muste took a leadership role in the movement against the Vietnam War. Fellow peace activist Andrea Ayvazian tells of Muste standing outside the White House every night during the Viet Nam War, holding a candle, regardless of whether it was raining or not. One evening, a reporter approached him, and asked if he really thought that by standing outside the White House holding a candle night after night, he would change the policies of the country, to which Muste replied: "Oh, you've got it all wrong. I'm not doing this to change the country. I do it so the country won't change me." [Andrea Ayvizian, the Sun, Nov. 1994]

(from http://www.uumh.org/html/sermon_afflict.htm )

Just thought I'd share that.

Larry
January 21, 2011

sent 5/30/13 2009 movie Collapse, with Michael Ruppert

Subject: 2009 movie Collapse, with Michael Ruppert. 1hour 23 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPL2CReZaHI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Roger Ebert review:
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/collapse-2009

One of the reviewers on YouTube said just yesterday:
"there´s nothing I could add.
"It completely overlaps with my observations. not nearly as good as his though. the man has a sharp mind."

I would say the same thing, adding that Mr. Ruppert's sharp mind has much to do with his life experiences.  Over the past eight or nine years I have sent links to articles that cover many of the things Mike Ruppert talks about, including many of the things Roger Ebert mentioned.  Mr. Ruppert talks about how money works, about the fractional reserve system mandating continuing economic growth and about mandatory economic growth clashing with finite resources.  The fact of finite resources wins.  Everything manufactured involves oil.  It's not just about running our cars, it's about building our cars and everything else.  He talks about the President being about as trapped as anybody.  He talks about all the traditional economic systems and political philosophies including both capitalism and socialism being obsolete now, by reason of having become increasingly unrealistic in our new reality.  The possibility of any of them feeding everyone becomes more and more remote.  He reviews stages of dealing with the kind of reality we are dealing with now, denial, anger, depression, and acceptance.  Nearing the end he talks about smiling and doing what we can do.  If we know how to build lifeboats then build lifeboats.  This is a vast film and, as Roger Ebert said in his review, there seems to be absolutely no bs.  Even if you find that some of this is review for you, I think you will find that the way it is put together, the way Michael Ruppert puts it together, presents a clearer picture. 

I don't like this either, even if I may have less time to live with it than you do.  Please don't shoot the messenger.  I'm not ready to die yet. :-)

Larry

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sent 5/30/13 another mental adaptation to changed reality "Confidential report lists U.S. weapons system designs compromised by Chinese cyberspies"

Subject: another mental adaptation to changed reality "Confidential report lists [BIG] U.S. weapons system designs compromised by Chinese cyberspies" word in brackets added

This story is really very big, as military stories go.  One can imagine all kinds of consequences flowing from these events.  I wonder whether a more peaceful world might follow.  Probably not, given the worsening problems with the world's weather, etc.  But one can hope the U.S. might spend less on trying to use the military industry to steal from people on the other side of the world and more on clean energy.  Here's a thought: Let's do away with the Internet to stop the Chinese from stealing "our" product ideas.  lol
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/confidential-report-lists-us-weapons-system-designs-compromised-by-chinese-cyberspies/2013/05/27/a42c3e1c-c2dd-11e2-8c3b-0b5e9247e8ca_story.html

love,
Larry
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As always, you are welcome to reply with a comment.  Whether or not I will share your comment is completely my decision.  Please keep in mind that your words will not be identified with you unless you demand and I agree otherwise.  Other than that, the fact that you are even a recipient is a deep dark secret unless you yourself have chosen to share the fact with others.  I encourage you to share any and all of my "undisclosed recipients" messages, but I would not want you losing too many friends as a result. LAS

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sent 5/29/13 How to get a job; getting into a buying mood; 12 Disruptive Technologies That Are Changing The World

Subject: How to get a job; getting into a buying mood; 12 Disruptive Technologies That Are Changing The World

1. "12 Disruptive Technologies That Are Changing The World"
Wow, look at the amount of work that went into this what-might-be-termed shorter range, shorter range meaning until we get closer to the loss of humanity on earth--the huge chart and so forth.  I copied that chart into a viewer that covers my display.
http://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-technologies-that-will-disrupt-our-world-2013-5  You might want to think about what that chart might mean for you and yours.

2. "Home Prices Rise, Putting Country in Buying Mood"
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/house-prices-show-largest-gain-in-years.html

3. "How to Get a Job"
Personally I don't like it that the social value of a four year college degree seems to have diminished.  After World War II a four year college degree became the thing to support one's children through if parents' could manage it, and many could.  It's a sad change.  Must be one of those reality things or something.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/opinion/friedman-how-to-get-a-job.html

Larry

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sent 5/29/13 this book looks like a gift idea for somebody

Subject: this book looks like a gift idea for somebody....

.... but you might want to read both reviews below before deciding who.  Larry

Denialism: How Irrational Thinking Hinders Scientific Progress, Harms the Planet, and Threatens Our Lives, by Michael Specter (2009).
http://www.amazon.com/Denialism-Irrational-Thinking-Scientific-Threatens/dp/B003JTHRFU/

1. One review:
DENIALISM begins with a journalistic look at Specter's topic: that lots of people are specifically denying tenets of science (focused on the biological, so there's no flat-Eartherism or the free-energy kooks), mostly for reasons of personal dislike (of the implications of real science, of the market forces, such as giant multinational drug companies, that drive the current breakthroughs, or just for the complicated modern world), and these people are not just wrong, but actively dangerous to society, since they tend to drag debate in useless directions and agitate for government actions that would be detrimental to the health and welfare of millions of people.

But then Specter's first chapter -- all of his chapters, by the way, nearly stand alone, and I suspect most of them were originally published as magazine articles -- illustrates a situation where "science" was wrong: the pain medicine Vioxx, which turned out to greatly increase the risk of heart attacks and almost certainly contributed to the deaths of millions. Vioxx was approved by the FDA, and any dangers carefully hidden under the rug by its manufacturer, Merck. Specter's point is that the dangers of Vioxx were discovered by other scientists and doctors -- not by TV talk-show pontificators or lay "activists" -- that the system worked, even in this extreme case, and even if it worked more slowly than we would want it to. But that slowness feeds the wells of denialism, as people who already distrust science ask what other dangers have been covered up and not yet brought to light.

Specter then runs through a litany of stupid ideas: that vaccines cause autism; that "organic" and "natural" mean almost nothing when it comes to food, and that the drive for them could seriously harm our ability to feed the world; that herbal and vitamin supplements are mostly pointless, usually under-researched, and occasionally harmful; that mapping the human genome was an entirely positive thing (this chapter felt shoehorned in more than the rest, I'll admit); and that biological engineering is not just inevitable, but tremendously exciting and promising. As you might notice, the line of his book is not so much to examine various forms of denialism but to start with positions held by denialists in robust areas of the biological sciences, and then head off into cutting-edge work, sketching out where he expects the denialists will set up their attacks any day now.

There's nothing wrong with that; all of the pieces of DENIALISM are smart and interesting, and a book called "Things Stupid People Opposed or Will Oppose in Biology" would certainly not have sold as well. But it's not as unified as you might expect, or hope, and if you were entirely committed to the idea of a single narrative thread explicating the face of modern denialism, you will be disappointed. (Other than a few sideswipes, he doesn't even mention evolution denial -- there are plenty of things that are disputed by the ignorant and confused that he doesn't grapple with.) But, as a big crowd-pleasing book strongly defending real science and reason, DENIALISM is very welcome.

2. Another review:
 A Well Intentioned Failure to Communicate September 27, 2009
By Daniel Murphy TOP 500 REVIEWER
Format:Hardcover|Amazon Vine™ Review (What's this?)
"Denialism" states author Michael Specter, "is denial writ large---when an entire segment of society, often struggling with the trauma of change, turns away from reality in favor of a more comfortable lie". The author proceeds to examine recent current events and issues to bolster his contention that some people, unreassured by the healthy and rigorous skepticism of scientific method, have rejected scientific evidence itself, thus lapsing into denialism. By examining the events around the removal of the anti-inflammatory medication Vioxx from the market, the current controversy about vaccines, what the author describes as the "organic fetish", the rise in popularity of CAM (complementary and alternative medicine), and the flawed concept of race, Specter attempts to show that American gullibility and hostility to science are endangering our lives, our nation, and our planet.

I'm a family physician, and I face what Specter terms "denialism" on an everyday basis, both in the office and in general conversation. Whether speaking with Young Earth proponents that feel the planet is no more than a few thousand years old, parents that refuse immunizations for their children, people that won't take medication for their blood pressure or heart disease because they fear the side effects more than the disease, or doubters of global warming, I'm regularly faced with people across the spectrum of intelligence, and across the spectrum of religious or political belief, that are unable to interpret the facts that are beginning to impact them where they live. What I had hoped for, when I picked up this book, was an investigation into WHY otherwise well-meaning, often educated, responsible people take rigid stances on issues that are starkly at odds with the facts. Further, I hoped that solutions would be offered to help break through these barriers between well documented information and subsequent ability to act accordingly. Denialism left both hopes unfilled. The book thus becomes more of a wringing of the hands rather than a rolling up of the sleeves.

The book fails on several levels. First, the people most likely to read a book called "Denialism" are the scientific faithful. Being amongst that crowd, I'm as happy as the next guy or gal to be told that I'm right and they (the denialists) are wrong. But I already thought that, and I'm wondering how this book moves even a tiny step closer to those that we would like most to reach. Specter appears to have so much disdain for deluded souls that he might as well have titled his book "Stupidism". The marked tone of condescension virtually guarantees that the target audience that the author would like to reach will tune out within 20 pages. Secondly, I deal with many otherwise quite intelligent folk that run businesses, or hold other positions of high responsibility, but also ascribe to astrology, homeopathy,or cult religions. If such people were amenable to facts, they would have gotten the point long ago. Specter's solution to this is to attempt to bludgeon the "denialist" with page after page of facts. Whatever it is that is blocking the understanding of the "denialist", it is not access to facts or information. The blockage is most likely emotional, possibly based on fear, and one does not most effectively deal with emotional barriers by using facts as instruments of assault and battery.

In order to make my third and final criticism, I need to relate a short story. As I write this, there is a high level of anxiety about a duel epidemic of flu, traditional and H1N1, in my community. My wife is a teacher at a local middle school. In the teacher's lounge yesterday the topic was flu vaccines, both the traditional and the H1N1. All the old reasons for not getting the flu vaccinations surfaced: "I've never had the flu, why should I worry about it?" or "Last time I got the flu shot, I got the worst case of flu that I've ever had" or "This is a new vaccine, what if they got it wrong and it kills more people than it helps?". One teacher, struggling to make up her mind, turned to my wife and said "Are you going to get the flu shot?". My wife replied "I've never gotten a flu shot before, but this year, Dan (that would be me) is really worried about it, and he thinks I should get it. So yes. I'm going to." The teacher then announced "I know Dan, he's a good doc, he would NEVER recommend a flu shot for Cindy unless it was his very best guess that she should do it. That's enough for me. I'm going for it.". The point here is that trust is an essential companion to facts. And the truth is that the frequent divorces between science and wisdom, between science and ethics, between science and the environment have done tremendous harm to the trust science feels that it deserves. No knowledge comes without subsequent responsibility, and Denialism addresses this fact only weakly. PhD's in geology (oil and mineral technology), chemistry (pesticides, household products containing carcinogens, napalm, neurotoxins), pharmacy (don't get me started), physics (nuclear weapons) are granted with little, or more commonly, NO training in ethics. I have a deep respect for science, but science has to up its game if it wishes to regain lost trust. Denialism doesn't even begin to discuss how this might be done.

Ironic, is it not, that a book entitled Denialism appears to be in denial about the substantial damage that scientists themselves, through arrogance or unethical behavior, have done to the field of knowledge that appears to be our only route towards solving the enormous challenges mankind currently faces. The solution to denial will be a multi-factorial one, and involve movement of both sides toward each other, rather than a merciless beating down of the recalcitrant "denialist".

Lastly, True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society is a very readable and interesting exploration of why the way a person thinks is not always congruent with the best information available. I found it illuminating.

sent 5/22/13 Facebook; Pew research: What teens said about social media, privacy, and online identity

Subject: Facebook: Pew research: What teens said about social media, privacy, and online identity

1. A couple of days ago I received a lovely and much-appreciated comment that I want to share now.  The topic of Facebook keeps coming up.  Please understand that the main point for you is my response to Anon, which I also quote below.  It is information that you might as well have about me.  It might answer a question or two.

Anon: I sure do wish you would get a facebook, page...WE, need more people like YOU on there. It is a great place for political "sharing" YOU, wouldn't have to use your real name if you didn't want too. Just create a "dummy" email and assume and identity and there you have your page...none the wiser and "word" will get around and the "shares" will begin.
Just a thought.
take care
<Anon>

LAS: Dear <Anon>,

I do not know that I have mentioned this to you before: As part of my varied past, I put in several years as one of the moderators of a succession of on line forums that went up to 10,000 members.  The members were mostly silent, but not all.  I developed some strong friendships.  The moderators' main jobs were a) to make sure that everyone who posted and whose post remained public got some sort of public response that was friendly and to the point and b) to bar or quickly remove posts that crossed our line as being outside of a common understanding of what civility is and explaining that privately to the poster with no public uproar.

Those forums are now part of history.  But the experience remains.  I do not want to have a tiger by the tail like that again if I can avoid it.  I no longer want to deal with responding to public comments, despite the fact that I am capable of doing it as a full time job, if I wanted a full time job.

<Anon>, I truly appreciate your encouragement.  Thank you!  (And you're most welcome. :)

Larry
2. This is a Pew Research Center report that I happened upon today.  I leave it to speak for itself, without adding anything.  Seriously I have no suggestions about you posting on Facebook or not.  Some like it, some don't. 
I suggest you read the bottom of the page, "about the focus groups" first, to give you the picture of what Pew did before you read all the interesting things that people said.
http://www.pewinternet.org/Commentary/2013/May/Focus-group-highlights.aspx

Larry

sent 5/21/13 moving to the country, moving to the woods

Subject: moving to the country, moving to the woods

I had a long conversation with a young smart relative of mine today.  He or she pointed out that there is no way for everyone to move to a farm as one or another of my recently cited authors may have suggested doing.  There just is not enough room.  I had thought about that some time back but did neglect to mention it earlier. 

Now please don't go throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  I did not send you any of the articles of the past couple of days for the purpose of making a particular suggestion that anyone should (or should not) move to the country and try farming.  The featured ideas repeated below were the point.  The rest was for context.  As I said, I am adopting these ideas as my own.

love,
Larry

  • Stay awake to what's happening around us.
  • Don't get hung up by other people’s "shoulds and shouldn'ts".
  • Occasionally re-examine our personal values.  If they aren't in alignment with what we think the world needs, change them.
  • Stop blaming people. Others are as much victims of the times as we are - even the CEOs and politicians.
  • Blame, anger and outrage are pointless.  They waste precious energy that we will need for more useful work.
  • Laugh a lot, at everything - including ourselves.
  • Hold all the world's various beliefs and "isms" lightly, including our own.
  • Forgive others. Forgive ourselves. For everything.
  • Love everything just as deeply as you can.
Paul Chefurka
May 17, 2013
http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Thermo/Thermo1.html

sent 5/21/13 Please sign petition--a bill to increase Social Security a small amount for us old folk

Subject: Please sign petition--a bill to increase Social Security a small amount for us old folk

and please also make this message viral

I am not asking you for any charity whatsoever, I want you to know.  I worked and paid in to the Social Security Fund.  As it was set up, the Social Security Fund is a separate fund, but the general treasure could borrow the extra funds that came in each and every month from the Social Security payroll deductions.  Social Security payments are to be adjusted each year according to changes in the cost of living.  The annual Cost of Living Index has been manipulated with trickier and trickier calculations of living costs.  The effect of that has been to cheat me and others out of what we bought with our money.  The pressure comes from those who control the general fund not wanting any risk of having actually to pay back any of the money that it borrowed from the Social Security fund.  I actually need that money.  At least partly due to my diabetes, I have actually been living entirely on my diminishing Social Security retirement income for the past few years and doing a bit of work for relatives now and again free of charge.

I received the message below as a forward from one of my thoughtful relatives.  Please.  Sign the petition.  Eight hundred dollars a year does not come close to replacing what the Federal government has cheated us out of under our contract.  Thank you.  The links are to a page at MoveOn, where the petition is.  The petition is actually posted at the MoveOn site by Campaign for America's Future (Wikipedia page).*

Thanks!

Larry

* I do not know whose idea it was to use that language, but that Wikipedia page calls Campaign for America's Future a "left-leaning" organization.  Just so you know, I do not regard this particular bill as "left-leaning" at all.  I think most people understand that a deal is a deal, that a contract is a contract.

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From: Roger Hickey <manager@ourfuture.org>;
To: Anon
Subject: $800 more per year for everyone
Sent: Fri, May 17, 2013 2:13:31 PM




Campaign for America's Future















© 2013 Campaign for America's Future Inc. 1825 K Street, NW, Suite 400, Washington, DC 20006

sent 5/11&21/13 Common Sense Voices Pillory US War Hawks on Syria

Subject: Common Sense Voices Pillory US War Hawks on Syria

sent 5/11/13
Again, just as in Iraq, the benefactors of Syria's dismemberment will be the external actors which seek hegemony in the region and have never hidden their desire to see the country collapse. Murtaza Hussain, Al-Jazeera

My understanding is that the bottom line reason the U.S. opposes Bashar al-Assad, M.D., President of Syria, is that President al-Assad has been a supporter of Palestine against the Israeli occupation.

I am republishing this article in its entirety as a Fair Use exception to the copyright law--educational and non-profit.  It's worth reading.  The link is
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/07-5?print
The full text is below.

Larry
 
sent 5/21/2013 -
comment From Anon:
I heard the foreign minister of Syria interviewed on NPR the other day. Clearly he refused to 'cooperate' with the interviewer and admit that Assad should be ousted.

According to him, the US is funding terrorists to take over his country. He did not say it that way, he was much more politically correct and polite. Also the chemical warfare thing was interesting. He said that before this hit the news the Syrian gov had requested the UN task force come and look at the evidence that the terrorists had used chemical warfare. They have refused to go to look at the evidence. Actually I did hear on NPR another day that the Doctors without Borders stated they saw evidence supporting that.

The interviewer cut short the interview after the minister would not agree that Assad should go to the meeting to negotiate how he will step down.

Really I don't understand how the world can change so fast, now it is ok for a group of big countries to just tell a Head of State their time is up.

Actually, I think it is that those in power think the end is coming and that if they arrange things a certain way they can survive.
LS: Thank you for your great discussion, Anon.  I think you're right about what those in power appear to be thinking--those in power being those few with most of the money in the world.  Of course it is important to pay attention, but there's not much point in the rest of us being bitter about the top 0.1 percent while we're struggling to survive.  Anyway, they are people too if you think about it. :-7
 
[added: As I had already mentioned to Anon privately, it is possible to struggle with other people without being angry or bitter.  Many have said that one can be more effective, more reality-based, that way.]

love,
Larry

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sent 5/19/13 comment from activist Re: not necessarily what I say: "Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction"

Subject: comment from activist Re: not necessarily what I say: "Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction"

reply from Anon576: Your lists of what to do are good-- but -- I would like to add one more-- that is -- do not only read and get informed-- combine it with actual work of passing on what you have learned and but it in writing and get it out to the regulators, politicians and the citizens via email and  postal - nerdy citizens unite!  You do some of that in figuring out how to cope with the onslaught but the next step is also how to fight these industrial monsters who want to gobble up the planet.

LAS: I appreciate you and your work.  I will try to be of a bit more direct help, more often.

love,
Larry


On 5/19/2013 11:33 AM, Larry Scott wrote:
Subject: "Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction" [see http://larryatblogspot.blogspot.com/2013/05/sent-51813-not-necessarily-what-i-say.html ]
 

sent 12/2/12 MAJOR-"I like myself *unconditionally*"

Subject: MAJOR-"I like myself *unconditionally*"

Back in the early 1980s I was privileged to have a good friend who exposed me to a book and to an audio tape by Louise Hay.  You can find many Louise Hay books among today's current publications.  What I remember best from that exposure is that repeating to yourself the statement, "I like myself unconditionally" a few times as part of one's daily routine is of great help in improving one's life, as advertised. :-)

Now there are more, more than just one important affirmation.  Doing a bit of research following a family discussion yesterday I found these at http://www.winona.edu/stress/selftalk.htm :

1. I like myself unconditionally.

2. I never devalue myself through destructive self-criticism.

3. I have unconditional warm regard for all people at all times.

4. I am easily able to relax at any time, and every day through every affirmation I am healthier in mood, body, and spirit.

5. I am a self-determined person and I allow others that same right.

6. I am completely responsible for all my responses to all other people and to all events.

That set of statements is a huge amount to think about.  Me I admit to a bit of trouble with number three (3) in particular.  As I have said many times, Richard Cheney has been a specific exception for me.  No joke.

As I have matured, I have managed to develop in such a way that the statements numbered one (1), two (2), five (5), and six (6) above have serious reality to me personally.  No it was not always that way.  But it has been that way for a long time now.  I recommend it.

If you can't take the short version above on faith, there are lots of books.  I've no idea which ones are the best.  I do know that some that are mentioned on that page (above) are excellent.  Mainly I am respectfully suggesting taking seriously the wisdom of repeating the six statements above, as if you believe them and as if you really mean them.  The end result is good as I and many others can testify.

love,

Larry

sent 5/20&22/13 Carolyn Baker May 6, 2013 personal statement

Subject: May 6, 2013 personal statement from Carolyn Baker
5/22/2013 Added an exchange with a commenter at the bottom.

If you're lucky you remember Carolyn Baker at least somewhat well.

Please listen with love, as you imagine a Quaker might, to this very personal May 6, 2013 statement by Carolyn Baker, as to a person who is "standing in the light"--but leaving it to her to be the final authority on whether or not she was indeed "standing in the light" as she was writing.  I presume to say that I perceive that Carolyn Baker was indeed standing in the light at the times when she was writing this
http://guymcpherson.com/2013/05/preparing-for-near-term-extinction/

Please allow me to suggest, respectfully, that you allow Carolyn Baker's personal testimony to coalesce in your consciousness with the two articles,
http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Thermo/Thermo1.html , particularly the ending of that one, and http://guymcpherson.com/2012/10/only-love-remains/ WITHOUT ALLOWING any one or two of them to diminish any of the others even a little bit.  I am completely aware of what a tricky thing I am suggesting.  But please allow me to be a bit presumptuous and suggest that it is well worth the doing.

love, and my great thanks to my valued friend Carolyn Baker, mainly for having taken the time to get her thoughts into a great writing.

Larry
-------------sent 5/22/13 "another comment----------

Note that my friend RW is an exception among my correspondents.  He has demanded that his words be identified with him in my publicizing them, and I accommodate him.  Again, don't worry about my doing it to you, ever.  Not without explicit permission at least.

RW quoting: Carolyn Baker: We have ushered in intractable near term extinction (NTE) of most of life within the next several decades." In other words, NTE is a veritable certainty, and our existences on this planet as a human species is about to end.

RW: Who is this "We" she is referring to?

LS: I think she was referring to the human race.

RW: Is she identifying with the investment class that created the problem? More than likely she doesn't even realize that there is an investment class. When one doesn't have a coherent economic political understanding, it leads to all sorts of gloom and despair because one can't possibly come up with solutions to a problem one doesn't understand.

LS: She has a coherent economic political understanding.  You may not remember, but Carolyn Baker is good friends with Catherine Austin Fitts, whom I have relied upon heavily as a source in the past.  Whether or not you share her belief (and that of a significant number of scientists) as you stated it, please recognize that Carolyn Baker has been working continuously and very hard for years organizing and being part of the solution to the situation as she sees it, or at least helping people with it.  She and others may well understand the problem well enough.

Larry
( http://larryatblogspot.blogspot.com/2013/05/sent-51913-comment-from-activist-re-not.html
To remind you of the bulleted list I sent you a couple of days ago.  It's in there.)

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Subject: From Carolyn Baker-Reply to RW, conference announcement Re: another comment Re: comments and picture Re: May 6, 2013 personal statement from Carolyn Baker

Carolyn Baker is another exception to my anonymity rule.  She also has asked specifically that her words be identified.

Carolyn Baker: I absolutely do understand the investment class which caused most of the problem, but all of the rest of us have contributed to it as well on a smaller scale by demanding that we attain a certain lifestyle (even if we are middle or working class) and therefore we insist that we "require" the fossil fuel energy necessary to maintain it. I do not hold that every single member of the human species will become extinct in the next century, but I do believe that a significant number (probably in the billions) will die-off. The investment class goes and gets what we demand and what they can hugely profit from, namely, fossil fuels. Climate scientist, James Hansen, has recently stated that if the Keystone Pipeline is implemented, we can kiss climate change reversal goodbye.

LAS: This is a minor comment to my friend RW: Please know that I agree with Carolyn Baker, not that she needs my approval, about our individual responsibilities in demanding a certain lifestyle even if we are middle or working class.  Of course that is not to be construed as a statement that I waste my time with feeling guilty.

Carolyn Baker: By the way, I have been researching these issues since 2000 and worked closely with Mike Ruppert at From The Wilderness when that site was still active. Please do not assume that I don't even understand that there is an investment class and please visit my website at www.carolynbaker.net.

Carolyn Baker: I don't know if you are aware of the  Age of Limits Conference which will occur this weekend in Pennsylvania. This is the second annual conference, and I am one of the presenters. Anyone who cares anything about the state of our planet should be aware of this event. I'll be blogging about it over the weekend at my website at www.carolynbaker.net.
Thank you for being aware of this and spreading the word.

LAS: You are welcome, Carolyn Baker, and, as always, I am grateful for your work.

Larry

sent 5/19/13 "Only love remains"

Subject: "Only love remains"

This wonderful piece by Guy McPherson is on the same site that has the Jeffrey Strahl article I sent a moment ago, Guy McPherson's site.  It's about him and his own life.

http://guymcpherson.com/2012/10/only-love-remains/

love,
Larry

sent 5/19/13 not necessarily what I say: "Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction"

Subject: not necessarily what I say: "Resistance is the Only Ethical Response to Near-Term Extinction"

I am not certain that the above title states the truth.  For one thing, I am not sure that it states the truth for me.  For another, we Quakers are just not quite that judgmental of others.  Note that I refer only to the title, not to the content that provides the context, most of which I believe to be true.

I have adopted for myself the bulleted list that comes next as a non-profit educational exception to the Copyright law.  It is by Paul Chefurka, who is apparently somewhere in Canada. 
http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Thermo/Thermo1.html
Please read further, below the list, for the different article in the subject line that led to my finding this.

  • Stay awake to what's happening around us.
  • Don't get hung up by other people’s "shoulds and shouldn'ts".
  • Occasionally re-examine our personal values.  If they aren't in alignment with what we think the world needs, change them.
  • Stop blaming people. Others are as much victims of the times as we are - even the CEOs and politicians.
  • Blame, anger and outrage are pointless.  They waste precious energy that we will need for more useful work.
  • Laugh a lot, at everything - including ourselves.
  • Hold all the world's various beliefs and "isms" lightly, including our own.
  • Forgive others. Forgive ourselves. For everything.
  • Love everything just as deeply as you can.
Here's the May 16, 2013 article by Jeffrey Strahl that is the subject of this email:
http://guymcpherson.com/2013/05/resistance-is-the-only-ethical-response-to-near-term-extinction/
The article is compelling enough.  The comments that follow below the article go all over the map.  They are all or mostly by intelligent and thoughtful people.  They are an education for sure.

One of those comments led here:
"Look for loopholes to avoid extinction" May 14, 2013
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/05/look-for-loopholes-to-avoid-extinction.html?m=0

And then I found this:
"The Thermodynamics of Civilization" May 17, 2013
http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Thermo/Thermo1.html
Before concluding with the bulleted list that I set forth for you above, Paul Chefurka makes a most interesting argument that everything that has gone on and that is going to go on was and is inevitable from the Second Law of Thermodynamics, whose first formulation is credited to French scientist Sadi Carnot in 1824. I checked.  Whatever you may think of that idea, I think Paul Chefurka's suggestions are right ideas.  You can see them as contradictory to Jeffrey Strahl's idea.  Or not.

love,
Larry

sent 5/12/13 interesting comment with Biblical note

sent 5/12/13 interesting comment with Biblical note

I've received and replied to a comment to my just previous post/email sent 5/11/13 "Common Sense Voices Pillory US War Hawks on Syria."  This comment is peripheral but interesting, concerning an Old Testament Biblical commandment that Jews should kill all Arabs.  I have renamed the commenter "Anon," which is my policy.
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Anon: for one Islam is not my cup of tea ; I do not like the Jihad concept but you can find it in other religions as well ; read Mitzvah 613 in Deuteronomy  which is the last commandment ( the first 10 are what most Christians know about ) there are 613 Commandments and that last one really irks me as it states that the “ Seed of Amalek should be exterminated “ in other words Jews are commanded to kill every arab ... so you see the Commandments themselves are contradictory as the 6th commandment says “ thou shall not kill “

LS: Well Islamists are definitely not my tribe either, even though most of them don't believe in violent jihad just as many people who call themselves Christians may not believe in violent "jihad" against Islamists, especially not against Islamists who are not attacking them.  Me I think it would be better if we left Arabs alone as long as they left us alone, rather than working hard with the goal of taking away from them what clearly belongs to them.  That's most interesting about that commandment to exterminate Arabs.  I didn't know that. You're right, it is a bit annoying.  Obviously not all modern Jews believe in that last commandment, only some Jews.  We did read the Old Testament but then my Dad was a minister and so had an obligation to know a lot about the Bible even if he did not believe nor teach that every word was to be taken as true.  There are actually many conflicts.  The conflict that you pointed out is just one big one.

My Dad taught that there are many valuable thoughts to learn from in the Bible but that to put together something cohesive and good from it we must pick and choose--pick and choose with the direct help of God, he might have said.  He believed that the books of the bible were written by fallible humans, some with inspiration connected somehow with God, some with less.

I think some silent meeting Friends (Quakers) might say that some of the Biblical authors were clearly standing in the light and that about some of them we're not so sure. :-7

"Standing in the light" is a rather complex concept, really, but one can easily do a bit of research on line and learn what can be said about it verbally.

Larry

sent 5/11/13 Renowned Scientist Stephen Hawking Joins Academic Boycott of Israel

sent 5/11/13 Renowned Scientist Stephen Hawking Joins Academic Boycott of Israel

Stephen Hawking is a very famous scientist.  He understands things in physics that few others on the planet understand.  He is way smarter than I am, no question.  He is smart enough to have joined an academic boycott of Israel and to have refused, in support of the boycott, to go to Israel for a big conference.

With great respect for the many Jews in Israel who are doing their best to oppose the Israeli government's policies related to Palestine--it is a much more active issue in Israel than we generally see, unless you read the local papers there on line, the Israeli government's policies toward Palestine and Palestinians are clearly evil, and our country's support for the Israeli government is evil also.  I say that with great sadness.  It's all about U.S./Israeli military dominance and hegemony in the Middle East.  Hegemony means theft.

"Renowned Scientist Stephen Hawking Joins Academic Boycott of Israel"
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/08-1?print

Larry

sent 5/10/13 here's that miracle of technology we were wanting, maybe

sent 5/10/13 here's that miracle of technology we were wanting, maybe

Put together with other recent news, this may be a case of too late and too slow for many people, but despite that this new invention looks positive, if you'd like to hear about something positive.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/05/08/190683/patent-filing-claims-solar-energy.html

Larry

sent 5/7/2013 Amazon reviews: Pakistan on the Brink: The Future of America, Pakistan, and Afghanistan

sent 5/7/2013 Amazon reviews: Pakistan on the Brink: The Future of America, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, by the impressive Ahmed Rashid (2013)

This is a significant and authoritative book.  If you care about America, not to mention the rest of the world and humanity, I suggest at least reading about this book, including reading a few of the major reviews at Amazon. whether or not you buy books from Amazon.


sent 3/25/13 Soul Poison

sent 3/25/13 Soul Poison


1. Soul Poison
by Robert C. Koehler
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/03/22-3?print


2. Have We Ever Gotten to the Bottom of Exactly 'Why' Bush and the Neocons Disastrously Invaded Iraq?
by Robert Parry March 22, 2013
http://www.alternet.org/print/world/have-we-ever-gotten-bottom-exactly-why-bush-and-neocons-disastrously-invaded-iraq

I have sent seriously brilliant articles by journalist Robert Parry in the past.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_%28journalist%29

Please allow me to draw your attention once again to Robert Parry's Consortium News.
http://consortiumnews.com/

Larry

sent 4/6/2005 Book review [#1]: "America Right or Wrong: An Anatomy of American Nationalism" Anatol Lieven

May 7, 2013
This by Brian Urquhart is the first of two reviews of America Right or Wrong: An Anatomy of American Nationalism by Anatol Lieven (2004) that I sent on April 6, 2005.  The second, by Michael Hirsh, follows below, very different, much less enthralled by Anatol Lieven's thinking. Both reviews demand some time. They needs to be read analytically, particularly as so much has happened since 2004-2005.  It is partly water over the dam now and partly still on the front burner.  Larry
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sent 4/6/2005 Book review [#1]: "America Right or Wrong" Anatol Lieven

[The link to this review is
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2005/feb/24/extreme-makeover/?pagination=false&printpage=true
This republication is a Fair Use Exception under the Copyright Law--nonprofit educational purpose. LAS]

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America Right or Wrong: An Anatomy of American Nationalism
by Anatol Lieven
Oxford University Press, 274 pp., $30.00                                                  
For more than two centuries, nationalism in all its various forms—from the high-minded chauvinism of the British Empire to the virulent poison of Nazism—has been a familiar, and often negative, phenomenon. Emerging first in Europe, which it nearly destroyed and which has now apparently learned to control it, extreme nationalism still erupts from time to time in other parts of the world.
The word “nationalism” never quite seemed to fit the United States, where continental vastness and enormous power have hitherto been tempered by an often-expressed distaste for empire and by the notion of world leadership by example. Two American presidents, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt, both sponsored world organizations whose primary objective was to contain and disperse the aggressive force of nationalism.
In the first years of the twenty-first century, however, in a dramatic departure from traditional policy, the spirit of unilateralism and militant nationalism began to dominate Washington’s policies and attitudes toward the outside world. Reaction to the attacks of September 11, 2001, gave new force and a new direction to this change. Anatol Lieven’s America Right or Wrong: An Anatomy of American Nationalism examines the roots of longstanding American nationalistic tendencies that have given public support to this fundamental change in United States policy. As is already clear from some reactions to his book, for a foreigner (a Washington-based British journalist), and a European intellectual at that, this is a courageous, even foolhardy, undertaking, but it may well be that an outside observer can best approach such a sensitive American subject with candor and objectivity.1 Lieven is relentlessly candid, and has produced a remarkably thought-provoking book.

1.

Lieven contrasts the high idealism of American civic nationalism, the “American Creed”—liberty, constitutionalism, law, democracy, individualism, and the separation of church and state—with current hypernationalistic attitudes that influence both domestic and foreign affairs. His book, Lieven writes,
should in no sense be read as an attack either on a reasonable American nationalism or on the war on terrorism in its original form of a struggle against al Qaeda and its allies. As I shall argue throughout this book, American civic nationalism is a central support of American power and influence in the world, and has tremendously positive lessons to offer to humanity.
Lieven maintains that because American-style free-market liberal democracy has now become ideologically acceptable in most of the world, logically the United States should be “behaving as a conservative hegemon, defending the existing international order and spreading its values by example.”
Instead, the George W. Bush administration has attempted to go in the opposite direction. “American power,” Lieven writes, “in the service of narrow American…nationalism is an extremely unstable basis for hegemony.” Particularly after September 11, when there was a chance to “create a concert of all the world’s major states—including Muslim ones—against Islamist revolutionary terrorism,” the Bush administration “chose instead to pursue policies which divided the West, further alienated the Muslim world, and exposed America itself to greatly increased danger.”
It would be foolish to try to summarize in detail a book as tightly written and extensively researched as America Right or Wrong. But on a subject so vitally relevant at the present time, it is worth outlining some of Lieven’s main ideas. After setting out what he calls the “American Creed,” Lieven examines the historical roots of its antithesis, a “wounded and vengeful nationalism.” Irrational hatred, even fear, of the outside world, combined with an obsessive belief in the treachery of American “elites” and intellectuals, is not only destructive at home; it also demeans the traditional idea of a people with a special mission to help other nations that has been variously described over the years by many leaders and thinkers. For one example, Lieven quotes Woodrow Wilson, speaking at the end of World War I: “America had the infinite privilege of fulfilling her destiny and saving the world.” Ironically, it has taken Nature itself, in the Asian tsunami disaster, to show us once again that only the United States has the will and the resources—ships bearing helicopters and a worldwide logistics network—to respond immediately to such a vast emergency. Can this terrible experience help revive the reputation of Americans as a people with a compassionate mission in the world?
The missionary idea is further distorted, Lieven argues, by the Manichaean notion, frequently invoked since September 11, of the struggle between Good—America and those who unreservedly agree with it—and Evil. “Wherever we carry it,” George W. Bush told the graduating cadets at West Point in June 2002, “the American flag will stand not only for our power, but for freedom.” Such rhetoric has not only fueled self-righteous and nationalist extremism; it has also distracted the United States from the basic measures needed for a successful campaign against Islamic terrorism, including the serious pursuit of peace in the Middle East; and it has badly strained relations with the outside world. “If we have any sense at all of history,” Lieven writes, “we should know that our system does not represent the ‘end of history,’ is not divinely ordained, and will not last forever.”
In a chapter entitled “The Embittered Heartland,” Lieven examines the paradox that while much of the world sees the modern history of America as “an almost uninterrupted chronicle of success” (Senator William Fulbright’s words), very large groups inside the country itself do not see anything of the kind. Their sense of inherited defeat and humiliation not only poisons domestic politics but is also an important ingredient in America’s particular form of radical nationalism. Lieven identifies an original source of this feeling in the fear on the part of the first, fundamentalist Protestant, Anglo-Saxon core of settlers that it was losing its control of politics and culture to more recent immigrant groups, “cosmopolitan elites,” and the like.
The various revolutions of the 1960s—sexual, racial, feminist, and behavioral—certainly gave a powerful impetus to this large group’s resentment. In our time the “Gingrich revolution“‘s call to “take back America” echoes the old battle cry. As the epitome of such thinking Lieven quotes the French extreme reactionary Charles Maurras as saying during the 1930s, “In order to love France today, it is necessary to hate what she has become.” Pride, economic setbacks, and resentment have bred an intensely conservative and religious culture that is also intensely nationalistic.
However, Lieven observes, American radical nationalism, unlike similar movements elsewhere, has hitherto shown no clear impulse to move toward authoritarian rule. Pride in traditional democratic constitutionalism and in the strength of democratic culture has always contained any tendency to dictatorship. Time after time
the demons of American radical nationalism have…been bound again sooner or later by the power of the American Creed…. Periods of intense nationalism…have been followed by a return to a more tolerant and pluralist equilibrium.
Lieven writes that while, to the world, America may epitomize the triumph of modern society in all its forms, it is “also home to the largest and most powerful forces of conservative religion in the developed world.” He quotes a survey from 2000 which found that white evangelical Protestants made up 23.1 percent of the population; Catholics, the largest Christian group, were 27.3 percent. The first figure is certainly larger now. Fundamentalist evangelical beliefs, Lieven argues, are pre-Enlightenment in origin and anti-Enlightenment in substance. Both modern science and a rational basis for human discourse are highly suspect in these circles. Treacherous East Coast liberal and intellectual elites, atheist Europeans, the godless UN, and others who have proudly embraced the Enlightenment are particular villains.
Lieven notes that in 1925 there was general mockery of fundamentalism after the much-publicized Scopes trial—Samuel Eliot Morison referred to the trial as part of “Nineteenth Century America’s Last Stand.” Starting in the 1990s, the fundamentalists have now turned that humiliation around by making a strong comeback. The teaching of creationism is now being demanded in schools in more than forty states, while the low voting turnout of other, nonfundamentalist groups increases the fundamentalists’ political influence. The President himself is publicly skeptical of scientific findings in many fields, including global warming and stem-cell research. He promises to rid the world of Evil, and, as he told Bob Woodward, he is “casting his vision and that of the country in the grand vision of God’s master plan.” Radical religious nationalism, shrewdly exploited by Bush administration strategists, has become a strong force in American politics.

2.

Lieven’s chapter on the Israeli–Palestinian question is unusually forthright and is certain to give rise to much objection. He believes that this question more than any other divides the United States from opinion in most other countries. Critical discussion of Israel’s record and its behavior toward Palestinians is often presented as an assault by members of the malignant, anti-American, anti-Semitic international community, symbolized in the hated UN. Such a presentation strengthens unconditional support for Israel among most evangelicals, regardless of Israel’s policies and actions toward the occupied territories.

This point of view has become a matter of fundamentalist religious belief. Lieven quotes Jerry Falwell as saying that “to stand against Israel is to stand against God.” The Christian Zionist movement, of which the House majority leader, Tom DeLay, is a leader in Washington, is “a block of conservative Republicans whose strong support for the Jewish state is based on their interpretation of the Bible.”2 Such beliefs, which disregard international law, generally recognized rights, rational discourse, or serious negotiation, fit conveniently with the kind of neoconservative thinking to be found in the now famous 1996 position paper “A Clean Break,” written by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith, among others, which advised the Likud government to insist on “permanent control of the occupied territories,” as Lieven puts it. They do nothing to encourage moderation among Arabs and Muslims. After DeLay’s visit to Israel in 2003, during which the Texas congressman told Israeli legislators that he was “an Israeli at heart,” Saeb Erekat, a Palestinian legislator and negotiator, commented mildly that DeLay was not helping the cause of peace by “being more Israeli than the Israelis themselves.”3
Lieven observes that the debate over the Israeli–Palestinian question is far more open and uninhibited in Israel itself than in the United States, where criticism of Likud policies or arguments that the Palestinians have a case are apt to be construed as “classic anti-Semitism.” Lieven quotes, for example, the passionate protest against Likud policies by Avraham Burg, the former speaker of the Knesset. “We cannot,” Burg said, “keep a Palestinian majority under an Israeli boot and at the same time think ourselves the only democracy in the Middle East.”
It is one of the great tragedies of history that during the years of moderate Israeli leadership and policy, there was no recognition by either Israel or the US of a serious Palestinian negotiating partner. The only organized representative of the Palestinians, the PLO, was kept from the negotiating table until 1993, by which time both the Israeli settlement movement and the indigenous Palestinian terrorist movement in the occupied territories were well established.
As Lieven puts it, criticism of Israeli actions in no way excuses the barbarities and brutalities of some of their Palestinian opponents:
Yet by its settlement policy, Israel has passed up the chance to end the conditions exacerbating the conflict, as have the Palestinian groups through their continued pursuit of terrorism.
The US has become deeply embroiled in the Middle East through the combination of strong, and sometimes unconditional, support for Israel and dependence on Arab oil. This creates major problems for its global leadership as well as a serious impediment to the successful pursuit of the “war on terror.” There would now appear, at least, to be a slightly improved prospect for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. In view of the intrinsic importance of this question as well as its effect on other matters, it is to be hoped that Washington will adopt the courageous, objective, and active policy that might still achieve significant progress toward the peaceful solution that both the Israelis and the Palestinians desperately need.
America Right or Wrong is a valuable and also a troubling book on a subject that is both crucial and in many ways extremely sensitive. Historians may differ over Lieven’s interpretations of American history or his assessment of the importance of this or that factor, and others will certainly disagree with particular chapters. Predictably enough, he has already been called both anti-American and anti-Semitic.4 It seems to me that Lieven’s book comes more in the category of what is sometimes called “tough love.” Lieven is concerned, perhaps even obsessed, with current crises—the Iraq war, the impasse in the Middle East—and with tendencies such as the rise of radical nationalism that seem to him to be compromising the American Creed and American leadership in the world. He is also concerned with the absence of a stringent public debate on such matters. He can be tactless, perhaps, but that is hardly anti-American.

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In his recent book on the Scottish Enlightenment James Buchan writes of Edinburgh in the early eighteenth century, “Men and women were coming to suspect that knowledge acquired through skepticism might be more useful in this world below than knowledge ‘revealed’ by scripture.”5 It is a painful thought that in the United States in the twenty-first century we might be turning away from the world of the Enlightenment which inspired the Founding Fathers. Of all the thoughts provoked by Lieven’s book this is the most disturbing, both for America and for the world. Since religious freedom and popular elections are both sacrosanct rights of the American people, it is a particularly delicate one. Is it possible that America could eventually vote to go back on the Enlightenment?
Evangelical Protestants are a large and growing group whose influence is greatly enhanced by their voting discipline in comparison to other groups. Their influence is evident both in the rhetoric and in some actions of the current administration, as well as in Congress. This is clear in many domestic issues. The absolutes of Good and Evil, the references to God’s will in relation to adventures like the Iraq war, the idea that those who are not with us are against us, impose a rigidity that dismisses criticism and makes it impossible to admit reverses publicly or to correct mistaken policies. Such trends are a serious hazard for such a powerful and important country. And at home, the demonization of elites, anti-intellectualism, hostility to rational discourse, and an aversion to scientific method can only stultify and downgrade the educational system at a time when American leadership and technological supremacy are being challenged as never before.
The influence of Christian evangelicals now extends to many essential matters of foreign policy, quite apart from the Middle East. Dogmatic, unilateralist, and radically nationalistic, this influence ignores international law and is particularly hostile to international organizations. In some of its literature the secretary-general of the UN figures as the Antichrist. At a time when the United States is no longer immune from the ills of the outside world, many key problems—terrorism, energy, the environment, epidemics including AIDS, the proliferation of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, to name only a few—can only be tackled usefully through international collective effort. Dogmatic, faith-based denial of this fact of life would be a disaster for United States leadership, and also for the hope of finding solutions to problems that may well determine the future of the human race on this planet.
The absolute right of individuals to select the religion of their choice is not in question. But when particular denominations are in a position to bring their special beliefs and taboos to bear on the general interest and on public policy on secular matters, a dangerous point has been reached. That is why the separation of church and state is so important.
Lieven has undertaken the unpopular task of trying to analyze religious forces and nationalist ideologies that have an important bearing on the present situation of the United States and to warn about their consequences. In a reply to one of his critics he has explained that the failure to remember the searing lessons of how America became involved in Vietnam seems to him
to be closely related to an inability to reexamine certain fundamental national myths…. To say this is not the standpoint of an arrogant foreigner. It stands in a great tradition of critical American thought, which should be revived as a matter of profound intellectual and indeed patriotic urgency.6
Criticism by a foreigner on sensitive national issues is always likely to raise hackles, especially when readers may have a strong feeling that some of the criticisms are right on the mark. People often do not appreciate being told in a foreign accent that they may be heading over a cliff. In his intensity Lieven sometimes drifts into an admonitory tone that some readers may find patronizing. But his conclusion, far from displaying anti-Americanism, has a cautionary perspective that Americans should take seriously:
Most important of all, the American elites should have both more confidence in and more concern for the example their country sets to the world, through their institutions, their values and the visible well-being of ordinary Americans…. These institutions and values constitute America’s civilizational empire, heir to that of Rome. Like the values of Rome, they will endure long after the American empire, and even the United States itself, has disappeared. The image of America as an economically successful pluralist democracy, open to all races and basically peaceful and nonaggressive, has been so powerful in the past because it has largely been true. Americans must make sure that it continues to be true.
  1. 1 In 1937, the Carnegie Corporation, searching for a director for a comprehensive study of the Negro in America, concluded that an American social scientist would find it difficult to undertake such a sensitive project dispassionately and objectively. The corporation therefore asked the Swedish social economist Gunnar Myrdal to direct the study. The result was the magisterial An American Dilemma (Harper, 1944). Like Myrdal, Lieven has chosen as his basic theme the contrast between American ideals and the sometimes contrasting reality of Amer- ican politics and society. ↩
  2. 2 "Palestinians Must Bear Burden of Peace, DeLay Tells Israelis," The New York Times, July 30, 2003.↩
  3. 3 The New York Times, July 30, 2003. ↩
  4. 4 See, for example, Jonathan Tepperman, in The New York Times Book Re-↩
  5. 5 James Buchan, Crowded with Genius: The Scottish Enlightenment, Edinburgh's Moment of the Mind (HarperCollins, 2003), p. 57; see the review by John Brewer, "Breaking with the Past," The New York Review, March 25, 2004.↩
  6. 6 The Nation, Exchange column, November 29, 2004.↩
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